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Kato
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« on: 20 April, 2018, 10:06:33 am »

Has anyone tried fasting to aid recovery? I am trying it out and plan a 96 hour clear fluids fast. I will log the changes( if any) I am 22 days in to the disease with no sign of healing so have nothing to loose (except a few pounds!) wish me luck!
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Bernadette
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« Reply #1 on: 21 April, 2018, 07:55:49 pm »

Hi!

There are benefits from losing weight, but if you are  border-line diabetic and producing too much insulin then your blood sugar might fall too low at first. I was cutting out carbs just before the Bells palsy started.

Not sure if this was just a coincidence, but I had a real burst of improvement (almost back to normal) after eating 4 lamb chops. I don't usually eat as much as 4 lamb chops but they had reached the use by date and so I had the whole packet.

Wishing you all the best!

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Kato
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« Reply #2 on: 23 April, 2018, 07:47:00 am »

Hi there,
I have been diagnosed with pre diabetes my blood was 48 after the proper 3 month test(I forget itís scientific name) and I had been told to loose some weight. I did a bit of reading and noticed that many sources of info suggest a decent length fast kicks healing especially in Neurologic illness. I then thought I have nothing too loose by trying. I am 25 days into my Bells Palsy now with just a flicker of movements in my still eyelid. I am 80 hours in to a clear liquid fast as I write, I plan to do 100 hours then return to a gluten free vegan diet ( which I mainly stick to anyway) although the thought of your lamb chops has made my mouth water! I have Hashimoto disease as well which affects my thyroid hence the gluten free business and I am also supposed that aviod soy and crucifers! I will be living on nuts and brown rice at this rate! All these faddy sounding food regimes make me sound like a flaky middle aged worrier but I swear Iím not I just want the feel well and be able to enjoy a long and healthy life . The Bells Palsy has reminded me to look after myself! ( the vegan thing is nothing to do with health itís because my daughter made me watch ďCowspiracyĒ and I havenít been the same since!Ē) hope you continue to improve, I may well try the lamb chop option if nothing changes, just donít tell my daughter!! Katey (Kato)
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Kato
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« Reply #3 on: 24 April, 2018, 07:07:58 am »

Just woken up on day four after a 96 hour water fast and feel fine! Bells Palsy has not miraculously disappeared but I do look better according to some. Also last night I experienced three short bouts of twitching on my Bells side which I havenít felt since before the onset. So perhaps healing is happening! Iím looking forward to my breakfast today!
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« Reply #4 on: 07 May, 2018, 03:12:23 pm »

Encouraging to read this.  I'm 61, overweight, and warned that I'm pre-diabetic.  In the fourth week of my third episode of BP. 

Will try cutting back on food quantity, though not take it as far as you have done.  Have been a "pescatarian" (vegetarian mainly, no meat but fish OK) for quite some time and will continue in that mode.  Maybe trimming carbs (rice, bread, quinoa) down even further will help.  Doesn't hurt to try.


Thanks for the post and getting me thinking.
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Bernadette
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« Reply #5 on: 08 May, 2018, 11:46:22 am »

Hi!

This is quite an interesting piece about cutting carbs https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/diabetes-carbs-per-day#section6

Good idea to monitor blood sugar, too, with a home kit at the same time. This is easy to do now that kits are cheap and some only require a very small amount of blood. If I can do it, anyone can.

There is definitely a link between Bell's palsy and poor blood sugar control https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Bell%27s+palsy+and+prediabetes

Wise to do something about it as there may be a link with recovery rate too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29374993
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886463

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Kato
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« Reply #6 on: 21 May, 2018, 06:56:34 am »

Thanks for the interesting links, I am feeling a bit lighter and I have got some weird things going on with my face which hopefully points to the nerve recovering!
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Bernadette
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« Reply #7 on: 21 May, 2018, 04:06:36 pm »

Hi Katey!

Great news that you are seeing some form of activity in your face and great to be lighter too!

Blood glucose levels do seem to be involved in neuropathy.

Might be a mistake to bring them down too low too quickly though - this is what I think I did and might have caused my Bell's palsy - seems possible anyway from this research https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29064042?log$=activity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25392197
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4441082/

In my case it was just after Christmas and I had weighed  - I had gone up a few pounds and was determined to take them off. I cut down drastically on carbs for a couple of days. I was perspiring when I went to bed before the Bell's palsy started- might have been a sign of hypoglycaemia - and I woke up with partial paralysis in my mouth.

I didn't test my blood glucose at the time so can't be sure. I did test afterwards - by then I had gone down about 20lbs (and was slim) and my face was back to normal - at that time my blood glucose was completely normal. However, despite the normality of my face I did have paresthesia in my legs - tingling, burning and pain. That had started straight after I took the steroids for the Bell's palsy and has continued to this day.

Hope you see some improvement very soon.

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Bernadette
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« Reply #8 on: 22 May, 2018, 08:37:01 am »

Hi Katey,

I have been looking up about HbA1c which is what I think you had measured. I have never had this measured myself.

This is what it says here about that https://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html

The article suggests that there are real benefits in lowering it, but doesn't mention the possible risks in lowering it too quickly. I think those risks are worth bearing in mind.

We can buy the home testing kits for HbA1c https://www.diabetes.co.uk/hba1c-meters/a1c-now.html but judging from the description they need quite bit a blood - have to push the lancing device down quite deeply. I am not sure I could do that. The blood glucose kit I used requires a tiny, tiny drop of blood which I can manage.

Update: I have just checked: the HbA1c test kit requires 5ul of blood and my blood glucose test kit requires 0.3ul blood so you need nearly 17 times more blood for the HbA1c home kit (and it costs over £60 as well!). Personally I couldn't get that amount of blood myself, but I am a bit on the squeamish side.

Possibly I would consider buying a continuous blood sugar monitoring system though  because I would like to find out if I am having hypoglycaemic periods and also would like to ensure that I don't allow my glucose levels to rise too high - apparently neurological damage can start at fairly low elevated blood sugar levels. This is an example of a system https://www.freestylelibre.co.uk/libre/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxILRyf-d2wIV4ZXtCh15GwXVEAAYASAAEgKB-PD_BwE It is not cheap though - about £160 for a starter pack.  However, the sensors are available on the National Health Service in UK apparently! https://www.freestylelibre.co.uk/libre/help/faqs.html
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Kato
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« Reply #9 on: 03 June, 2018, 09:57:54 am »

Hi
Best to get tests done by gp, mine suggested going back in six months giving myself plenty of time to reverse the diabetes. At first I was trying hard then I fell off the wagon and ate sweet stuff again (I am a sugar addict ) then came Bells Palsy hence the trial fast, to no avail. I am still overweight by about 20lb so will continue trying to lose fat which will benefit me holistically although I have just had a week away and was a complete horror in terms of eating too much ☹️ Wish I could not be so greedy! My palsy hasnít changed much at all .
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Bernadette
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« Reply #10 on: 03 June, 2018, 11:41:12 am »

Hi Katey,

I love sugar too, but since looking at diabetes and diet again since these posts I have cut back on sugar a lot and feel better for it. How long I will keep up my good diet is another matter. I still find it very difficult to lose weight even on low calorie diet- and extremely easy to gain weight.  I think for me increased regular  exercise is crucial.

I have tested my blood glucose myself lots of times and it seems OK. I've tested both fasting (before breakfast) and post-prandial - at various times after meals. I think my value is a little higher than optimum ninety minutes after eating - was 6.1 (classified as normal though) last time I tested.

I think you are right about the GP for the the HbA1c - too much blood needed for home testing, but, for me,  the testing which only requires a tiny drop of blood I personally like  to home monitor.  It's like weighing - it keeps you on the straight and narrow.

The facial palsy takes time to improve. I am sure it will improve!
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Bernadette
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« Reply #11 on: 03 June, 2018, 12:02:03 pm »

By the way, I have just discovered these sugar free biscuits http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/gull-c3-b3n-sugar-free-dark-choc-digestive-biscuits-270g/p/71038

They taste good but still contain carbohydrate of course. 61 calories each so we can't have more than one Cool

There is a range of different varieties in that supermarket.
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Kato
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« Reply #12 on: 09 July, 2018, 07:36:22 am »

Iím now four months into my facial palsy experience and am showing signs of improvement. Just watched an interesting you tube video called ď the science of fasting ď 56 mins long, very interesting indeed.
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Bernadette
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« Reply #13 on: 11 July, 2018, 10:00:17 pm »

Hi Katey,

So pleased you are seeing some improvement. That must be such a relief.

Did you see the ITV documentary about reversing diabetes? Suggests that 800 calories can be effective https://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep1week24/fast-fix-diabetes

B vitamin supplementation may be helpful?

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Kato
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« Reply #14 on: 12 July, 2018, 07:10:13 am »

Hi there,
Am on day four of another water fast and at four months into recovery I am working hard in a sawmill (wearing sealed goggles) I have a surprisingly large amount of energy and do not feel fatigued. I and am beginning to be able to move my Bells side by myself only very slightly. I have chosen to do another fast to promote healing rather than weight loss. It really does kick my body into life! I will end it  tonight with a light organic vegetable based broth. The fasting does wonders for feeling empowered and strong, and offsets the depression that seems to come alongside the Bells.
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