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Strop
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« on: 10 June, 2018, 06:38:43 am »

Hi folks
I was diagnosed on 28 May so it's been 2 weeks. Triggered I think by surfing. Initially I couldn't blink or raise an eyebrow at all, no smile and had to drink sideways on a 45 degree angle. Been on the steroids 60mg prednisolone and antivirals and started acupuncture last week and had 2 sessions. There are slight improvements with a 20-30% better eyebrow lift with effort but that's it. Maybe a 5% improved smile. Hard to tell. I can blink with effort but eye is still open and can't blink naturally so gets watery still

Has anyone tried chiropractic  for BP? Did it get any results?

Should I be mixing Chiro and acupuncture?

Am I doing too much? My acupuncturist told me to relax its not so bad and eat chicken broth.
Which I do but on a 45 degree angle
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DemiG
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« Reply #1 on: 27 June, 2018, 01:54:55 am »

I go to chiropracter and I'd say its beneficial.  The stiffness in my neck and chiro also works on nerves.  Ultimately we all heal differently so there isn't a magic cure but I do like the relief I get no matter how small.  At around 10 weeks he started gentlly manipulating my face but not before and I think it helps.  Now that there is some movement etc. As for acupuncture, I hate it, hurts too much. I also think the one administering it needs to be highly trained and I'm not convinced all of them are, especially with Bells Palsy.
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Bernadette
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« Reply #2 on: 27 June, 2018, 08:37:21 am »

I think those are very interesting posts, because my Bell's palsy started after I had been sitting in a chair with my head pushed forward working on a laptop for hours at a time for weeks

I had a pain at the back of my neck but I ignored it, thinking it didn't matter.

Then that pain seems to have  turned into the pain of Bell's palsy - that characteristic pain many of us get - and I woke up one morning with my face partially paralysed.

There is some suggestions in the literature that this could be caused by compression of an artery (external carotid) which supplies the facial nerve (at the geniculate ganglion - in the facial canal of the head) thus leading to injury through insufficient blood supply -  or by  direct compression of the facial nerve during part of its course.

There is a paper on a patient who developed Bell's palsy after cervical traction https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20531159

Do chiropractors know how to increase blood supply to the facial nerve and relieve pressure on it?
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Bernadette
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« Reply #3 on: 27 June, 2018, 04:00:43 pm »

Incidentally, I also thought that I could have been pre-diabetic - highish blood glucose levels makes nerves more susceptible to damage.

I lost a lot of weight,although I had a BMI of 24.9 which wasn't that high when the Bell's palsy started.
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DemiG
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« Reply #4 on: 29 June, 2018, 02:39:59 am »

I think chiros can relieve some pressure.  There isn't a lot of literature with chiro and Bells Palsy but I'm certainly not appearing to be harmed and some adjustments seem to make me feel better.  the other thing I really  noticed is how much my bra really hurts now and I can feel the relief when I take it off.  This wasn't the case prior to BP.  So I'm happy with the Chiro treatment. Especially now with the gentle twists he does to my face.  I average once every day 10s now. 
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Bernadette
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« Reply #5 on: 29 June, 2018, 02:45:15 pm »

The main thing is that the treatment is making you feel better not worse.

Not sure about why your bra should have started to hurt. There is apparently  a syndrome called Bra Strap Syndrome https://www.chronicbodypain.net/everything-you-need-to-know-about-bra-strap-syndrome/
and wearing the right fitting bra seems to be really important http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3017308/Headaches-painful-joints-constant-pins-needles-tummy-troubles-bra-making-ill.html

Linked with this so called bra strap syndrome is brachial  plexopathy (poorly fitting bra straps apparently can cause damage in the area of the brachial plexus). The brachial plexus  is an area on each side of the neck where nerve roots from the spinal cord split into each arm's nerves.

How would this relate to Bell's palsy and the fact that you have only started to experience pain in the bra area since the Bell's palsy? The only thing I can think of is that  brachial plexopathy has been thought by some researchers to be caused by the herpes simplex virus, as, of course, so has Bell's palsy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26991053

Perhaps the virus is causing nerve damage and/or inflammation in both areas in your case and therefore making you more sensitive to your bra because there is some inflammation already in the area?

Don't forget that inflammation is necessary for nerve regeneration and that your body will have released substances that cause inflammation as part of its repair strategy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24083435

Do hope both problems clear up really soon!
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« Reply #6 on: 30 June, 2018, 12:56:05 pm »

Just one other little point. One paper found that a factor influencing whether those with peripheral neuropathy (nerve damage) experienced nerve regeneration or further nerve degeneration was the HbA1c level - so that is why keeping blood glucose constant may be so important for those of us with Bell's palsy and possibly some insulin resistance https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3836098/

The simplest way to do that really is a lowish carbohydrate diet and one that avoids all products with too much sugar in them.

Exercise is important, too. I find this difficult to do sometimes when I have an extended piece of work to do at home. What I do in those in circumstances is to work sitting down for half an hour, and then get up  and do 5 minutes worth of housework which involves me moving around, bending etc. It might not seem much but strenuous exercise isn't really needed according to some research, as long as you do a moderate amount that achieves the same benefit.  It also ensures that the house doesn't look too bad  -  I don't like doing housework much, but can manage 5 minutes at a time!

Incidentally, measuring  HbA1c gives an indication of the average blood glucose over the preceding weeks https://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html

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« Reply #7 on: 05 July, 2018, 01:05:58 am »

I think the bra strap thing is due to BP but because one side of my head is pulled of course.  I think this slight pull affects my neck and some other surrounding muscles and with the bra high up and firm is pushing against the natural incline of my body being out of whack.  I've never experieceed that great relief I've heard when a woman takes off her bra - until now.

My bloody eyes waters so much.  Still not much of a blink but my cheek bone is returning and the fold has partially returned. The mouth continues to get better. and slight droop of the upper eye.

BTW - I didn't do any cosmetic filler.  I decided it may or may not give me the results I want which was also confirmed by the eye specialist.  Having said that, when it is close to healed but appears to have plateaued I will do that final push for my own self esteem. 

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Bernadette
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« Reply #8 on: 06 July, 2018, 04:57:59 pm »

You know your own body best and probably have hit on the cause of the bra pain problem.

Your eye must be driving you mad. I was fortunate that mine just stopped watering completely early on. The watering just suddenly stopped. I didn't do anything.

Great news though that you are seeing such improvement!
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